With less than two weeks until Congressman Thomas Massie (R-KY) faced off against a Republican primary opponent, Massie joined Tucker Carlson to discuss the onslaught – from his own party – that he has faced for the past two years.
Last election cycle, Massie obtained 75% of the vote in the primary. The two primary elections before that, he won 76% and even 81%. This year, he says, is different. The race is neck and neck. The difference?
Around $10 million has been spent against Massie in this primary, propped up mostly by SuperPACS and three major donors: Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer, and John Paulson, “megadonors” with ties to AIPAC and Israel.
Massie believes much of the furor against him stemmed from his prior interview with Carlson that aired about two years ago, in which he painted a clear picture of how politics really work in Washington.
“There’s a foreign interest group called AIPAC that’s, you know, got the ear of this current speaker and demanded 16 votes in April on Israel or the Middle East. We haven’t had 16 votes in April in the United States in Congress,” Massie explained in this prior interview.
Massie revealed that while he was just a candidate for Congress, AIPAC tried to get him to write a white paper in support of Israel. “I wouldn’t do it. And they said, ‘Why?’ And I’m like, ‘I don’t do homework for lobbyists, right?’” he chuckled. Apparently the AIPAC representative(s) then offered for him to use Senator Rand Paul’s paper and just put his name on that, but he wouldn’t do that either.
But Massie’s position on this white paper for AIPAC was and is entirely consistent with his approach to all foreign governments: he has never voted for foreign aid for any government.
Still, by explaining the process of how most members of Congress have an AIPAC “minder” that keeps tabs on them, he invited the financial opposition of key players in the political world. Massie’s campaign, on the other hand, has had 33,000 donors who give an average of $94. Massie says his team has deduced that his opponent’s major financial supporters have been funneling money through a payment vendor that was founded by the same people who started ActBlue, a notorious Democrat funding machine.
Massie said if he could make one reform to Congress, it would be to require that legislation focus on single issues. “Because right now we take thousands of votes, but they’re post offices and non-binding resolutions and things like that to make it look like we’re busy all year round,” he said. “But it usually boils down to two or three votes every year that are consequential, must-pass pieces of legislation that have everything in them. And that’s the problem.”
It is because major issues are grouped together in single bills that his opponent has been able to run ads saying things like Massie voted against pay raises for soldiers or voted for the continued funding of transgender surgeries on minors. The reality is that there were other major issues that Massie could not support in those same bills, which directed his vote.
His opponent did not agree to a single debate with Massie, turning down eight appearances. Massie told Tucker that 85% of his opponent’s donors have also given to Democrats. Why then is this candidate receiving such support from Trump-aligned donors this election cycle? Because he’s a “rubber stamp” to vote for whatever the Republican Party wants, according to Massie.
Warrantless Spying
“This is the main charge that’s been leveled against me: that I don’t vote with the party enough. I vote with the party 90% of the time. But listen, there’s 10% of the time where I don’t care who the president is, I’m not going to change the position that I promise to take to my constituents,” Massie said. “So, for instance, when the party votes for warrantless spying on Americans, I don’t vote for that.”
Even when Biden was president, “enough Republicans voted to let Biden have the power to spy on Americans without a warrant,” Massie said. Tucker added, “Because a lot of that information, that intelligence, that spying on Americans, goes directly to Israel.”
“Absolutely,” Massie confirmed.
Epstein Files
Another major issue that Massie has not backed down on, to the ire of other Republicans, has been the Epstein case. He fought tooth-and-nail to force the government to release the Epstein files, which is what President Trump campaigned on and what Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel promised to do.
Initially, Massie had 12 other co-sponsors to his discharge petition in order to force a vote for whether the files would be released or not, but over time, many backed out.
In the face of this opposition from other Republicans and pressure from President Trump, Massie said that there were three individuals in particular that were the “bravest:” Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC), former Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), and Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO).
Eventually, 3.5 million files were released – but more remain. “There are still a lot of files that haven’t been released. I don’t care whether it’s 3 million files or whether it’s 300 files that they still need to get out there,” Massie said. “But the kind of files they haven’t released, they are breaking the law by not releasing them,” referring to the Department of Justice (DOJ).
Glyphosate
Massie also told Tucker that he sat in on the Supreme Court oral arguments for a case regarding glyphosate, a pesticide that has been linked to cancer and has been significantly restricted for use in Europe. The case surrounds the question of whether individual states can allow lawsuits to be brought against companies like Bayer-Monsanto for not labeling their products with specific cancer warnings if the EPA does not require them to do so.
At the hearings before the Supreme Court, Massie said there was actually a DOJ attorney there to assist Bayer-Monsanto in their arguments that they should be immune from liability.
Massie, who has a farm in Kentucky, clarified that he doesn’t want to ban glyphosate and understands there are certain uses for them. He said he understands things like spraying fence lines even though he personally would not do that.
“But here’s one place where I would never ever use it and I don’t think it should be legal. They spray it on ripe wheat to dry it out before they harvest it. Like this is the food you’re going to eat,” he said. “It’s like the next step is to grind it and bake it into bread. And they are just one step away from you eating it. And they’re spraying it with glyphosate, the whole plant, so that it will die quickly and dry out quickly and save them some money.”
In February 2026, President Trump signed an Executive Order deeming glyphosate as strategically important to the United States. Critics, particularly from the Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) movement, felt betrayed by this, warning that this would shield companies like Bayer-Monsanto from lawsuits in the future.
The primary election in Kentucky is Tuesday, May 19.
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